Wednesday, March 3, 2010

Why The Founding Fathers Would Never Get Elected Today

     To succeed in U.S. national politics today, one must publicly claim they believe in a god of some sort, preferable the Christian god.  The Christian Right says that our nation was founded a Christian nation, blah, blah, blah, and many claim that free thinkers, atheists, agnostic, secular humanists, brights, post-theists, etc.  They don't know their Framers very well.  In fact, there's no way many of our nation's Founders would be able to get elected today, because of their free thinking, secular humanist thought.

   Here a few quotes from Thomas Jefferson:
     To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings.  To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul.  I cannot reason otherwise...without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and phantasms.  I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.
    Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched.  Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion.  Question with boldness even the existence of a God [sic]; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
    Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.  Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity.  It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.
    This quote is from the United States 1797 Treaty of Tripoli, drafted under George Washington and signed by John Adams:
    As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan Nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

     Here are a few Benjamin Franklin quotes:
    I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absented myself from Christian assemblies.
    Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.


FDeF said...

Should be required reading.

truthspew said...

Jefferson's a scathing indictment of religion and faith, so too that of Franklin.

Our forefathers weren't deists, they were outright secularists or dare I call it, atheists.

And that part about ridicule, indeed employ it when the opportunity presents itself.

Last time was at a Rainbow Coalition meet up between LGBT and the Religious Reich.

When my friend the Rev. John Codega got up and started spouting biblical quotation I came out with 1 Timothy 2:9-11. Yeah, old Saul was a misogynistic bastard wasn't he.

Heretic Tom said...

Thanks for all your comments, truthspew. Keep up the good work in RI. I went to seminary with Codega.

I enjoy your blog!